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Did you guys read your manuals? I was checking out the "break in" suggestions and noticed that it said to not idle the car for more than 5 mins. Why is that? I left it running for about 10 mins to let it warm up while I was getting ready to leave, though i doubt it hurt anything. I was just curious. Also, does anyone know if they ship the cars with synthetic oil in them? I thought it was supposed to be, but not sure. thanks!
 
Hmmmm. Never heard of that b4.
I have had Caddyies...Corvettes and Harley...I know for first 500 miles not to get hard on it...for a smooth break in for the cylenders and such...I think it said in the manual no oil change until 7500 miles...that would make me think it comes with synthetic!...I would change my oil after the first 1k miles anyway...lots of small mircoscopic metal shaving after break in period...then use a synthetic and change accordingly.
No ideling may be to do with the oil pump:-/ IDK
 
/\/\/\ maybe, i know the oil filter is specific, there's a mention not to use non-oem filters. it said specifically that there really "isn't" a break in period any more, just the 1st 1000 mi to watch a few things. yeah, i saw the oil chg suggestion, probably is synthetic, i asked the dlr but they are likely to just tell you what u want to hear.
 
vizunary , Its because when your are in idle , the oil pump have not enough pressure to feed the motor, and after few month or years, you may heard some new sound like freaking sound . So it will use prematurely your engine . and we all know that you love him to much to hurt him :)
SPIKE the oil you have in motor when you buy it when its new was ordinary oil and its voluntary to (we call it in french : roader le moteur) and you must keep the original oil the time they say . the microscopic metal particle is normal because the parts of your engine ''sit in place''
pardon me for my english , i'm not pretty good but .. i tried
 
carl56667 said:
vizunary , Its because when your are in idle , the oil pump have not enough pressure to feed the motor, and after few month or years, you may heard some new sound like freaking sound . So it will use prematurely your engine . and we all know that you love him to much to hurt him :)
SPIKE the oil you have in motor when you buy it when its new was ordinary oil and its voluntary to (we call it in french : roader le moteur) and you must keep the original oil the time they say . the microscopic metal particle is normal because the parts of your engine ''sit in place''
pardon me for my english , i'm not pretty good but .. i tried
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That is good to know.

Thanks,

BlkKoup
 
Carl, that sounds like a reasonable explanation as to why you wouldn't want to idle for more than 5 minutes. Also, here in Canada we have an "anti-idling" law that allows a car to idle for a couple of minutes, anyone caught idling for longer gets a fine. It's obviously to help with the environment.

On an unrelated topic, I saw in the Forte manual that is online, that some models have a Smart Key and push button ignition! That must be for the overseas models, but man, that would be sweet! Especially since the key/key fob that Kia gives here really kind of sucks.
 
JibbaJabba34 said:
Carl, that sounds like a reasonable explanation as to why you wouldn't want to idle for more than 5 minutes. Also, here in Canada we have an "anti-idling" law that allows a car to idle for a couple of minutes, anyone caught idling for longer gets a fine. It's obviously to help with the environment.

On an unrelated topic, I saw in the Forte manual that is online, that some models have a Smart Key and push button ignition! That must be for the overseas models, but man, that would be sweet! Especially since the key/key fob that Kia gives here really kind of sucks.
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really, the anti-idle applies to cars there? in the states we have it for trucks, which makes sense, when you have to take your 10 hr break(by law) in south texas, lets use august as an example. then it drops to a cool 95 by midnight, i can see why they don't want you to run your truck, you might cool off, it would be a shame. or let's use Alberta, in February, it's only -15, you don't need your heater, use thick socks! These laws serve a purpose, but when it interferes with our ability to get a good rest it's a problem. remember we are going to be driving an 80,000 lb (36,287kg) vehicle on the same roads you are driving on. don't you want us to be well rested? ;)

rant's over

OT: that does make sense carl, is this only for a certain period, or always?

edit: those smart key push button starts are available for about $70 and can either go in the dash or replace your ignition. as far as i know the push starts are only available in S. Korea.

edit edit: i guess the push starts are available on all manuals, haha..... sorry, couldn't help it....................................................................... /\/\/\
 
Ya, the law apparently is scattered throughout the country, not all cities adhere to it, but for those that do it is 2 or 5 minutes on any motorized vehicle, not just trucks. Crazy.

I'll look into the smart key push button aftermarket ignitions as they are very cool and I'm sure that they will be available in more vehicles in the future.
 
I live in northern Alberta. In the winter it is an avg -10c to -40c. The laws here are 2 minute idle max. They do not enfore it in our town, infact this town is famous for 130000$ diesel trucks to run all night long and bug the neighbours. When it is -40 I have to let me car idle for more than 5 minutes. At 5 minutes, the temp guage does not move and the stick shift is quite tough to move. I really want to look into it, as right now its getting to -20c at night (plug in block heater), and have already let my forte idle more than 5 minutes almost every morning, else its too cold to drive. I am going to have to talk to the mechanics or even the engineering department in regards to this; I need to know what it may do to my car, and what is the greater of 2 evils... driving cold engine, or idle it for longer than manual says to. I'll post my findings when I get information. First thing is first, read the manual this weekend! (procrasinated 1 week already)
 
especially in that cold weather it becomes a safety issue for truck drivers. i don't want my toes to turn black so that some tree hugger can feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I need to finish reading through my manuals also. as far as cold engine versus idling it longer, i think you better warm your engine up. if the reason that carl gave is indeed correct, about the oil pump not working as well at low rpms, then giving the car a little gas while warming it up should be fine and speed the process up. i live in texas, so this is an issue i rarely have to deal with. also, since my car is just for pleasure and not getting to work, on those few days we have ice or snow i won't be getting on the road anyways.
 
I believe the idle suggestion is more to save gas and reduce emissions. The oil pump on this engine does not lose pressure when cold, on the contrary -- like normal, the oil pressure is higher when the engine is cold. If you were to install an oil presuure gauge you would probably find the block oil pressure is 20-30 PSI at idle when at operating temperature -- this is more than ample.
 
check page 5-37 for warming your car up, it says 10-20 seconds and in very cold weather a little longer. so, the engine doesn't take long, but to keep your butt from freezing is a different matter. and sorry, it said to not idle the car for more than 3 mins during the first 600 miles.
 
Anti-idling bylaws in Ontario have exemptions for very high and very low temperatures.
 
Not certain on the idling issue, but the dealership I got my car from told me they use a synthetic blend when changing the oil. Didn't mention anything about what came in the car though. A quick look in the manual should say what type of oil to buy if you were going to change your own oil. I would think anyways.....I haven't read my manual yet and with a foot of snow outside, I don't think I'm heading out there to grab it at the moment lol
 
Just a side note***

The 10-20 second warm up limit is located in the "fuel economy" section. Therefore the less your car idles the less fuel consumption. But this defeats the whole purpose of having a remote start to pre-heat or pre-cool your car. I'm sure no one remote starts there car only to be in it 20 seconds later to drive away lol.
Then in another section it says to run your defroster for 10 min before using your wipers if there is ice or more than a little snow on your windshield. WTF :)
 
You know these care are idling longer than that in manufacturing, then again at the dealership.

I'm not worried. :)
 
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